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July 8th, 2008 by 
thien
Super Record is coming back, and it’s bringing with it another cog! Campagnolo stopped by to show off the new high end groupset recently and while we get the report written up. Check out this video we shot!
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July 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
That lever is really cool!!! I must have it, specially for that third aero position.
fc
July 11th, 2008 at 2:23 am
The lever is even cooler in person. Video and photos don’t do it 100% justice. Full grouppo pricing might be a shocker though…
July 11th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I’m still not sure why Campy decided they need to go to 11 speeds? I’m still doing great on 9 speeds. Just another gimmick…
July 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Campy could have done the awesome new lever without the 11th gear… whatever. Still a cool and functional kit.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I can’t believe anyone is trying to hype up that hand position. On shimano hoods you can alreay do that and people including myself do. The moment campy can do it as well its a feature. Before campy users were always saying its a gimmick of shimano.
Also did anyone notice he said you need a new chain tool? Sure its not a big deal to buy one but adding complications like this is rediculous.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
3rd hand position? didnt shimano invent that. campy ergonomics are terrible and the down shift thumb lever is annoying and in the way. check out the new 7900 shimano. thats the real deal.
11 sp gimmick. isnt it funny when you go more gears in the rear its seems cool, but do a triple up front, youre a wimp.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
better use 9 or 10 speed after all what’s the 11th one for…?
I should change my shifter also, shouldn’t I?
July 17th, 2008 at 5:09 am
I’m a little dissapointed in Campy coming out with 11 speeds in the back - afraid it will wear out and be prone to breaking. I think that there are so many areas they could focus on improving, like front shifting (which I believe is weak for all manufacturers). An extra cog in the back does very little for me.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
His watch is pretty fancy.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
The “third position” wasn’t invented by Shimano, it was a likely adaptation of an large cannon looking apparatus sticking off the front of their handlebars. The reason they are mentioning it as a viable hand position is because they actually made the hood contour to your hand so your not just holding on to a block of rubber, it is as natural a fit as if you were resting on them in the other position.
11-tooth? I guess its a little premature to call it a gimmick until we ride it. I always feel the hardest shift is my 11 to 12 tooth shift. Man! I gotta be going 5 mph faster to make that one viable.
My biggest gripe…I wish they were able to eliminate all of the play in both the front and rear shifts. Its really a long push before it even engages, it shouldn’t have any slack in a perfect world.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I’m intrigued to see how the 3rd aero position actually feels. Although I do agree with the fact that Shimano invented the third position, having ridden it for almost a decade now I can also say that it’s always been painfully uncomfortable to ride there for any given period of time, even though it feels like a very natural position to be in (mind you this doesn’t even include constantly hitting your thumbs on shift cables). Let’s see if Campy actually did it right.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
To address the complaint that Campagnolo should have put out the new lever shape in 10v, they did.
It’s called Centaur. As much as some of us may hate to put something on our bikes that does not say “RECORD”, those who want to try the new levers can do it, without replacing their entire drive train.
The thumb shifter has always seemed in a great position for me, but I have small hands and prefer to ride farther back on my hoods. Also, Ergopower was designed to run on Italian drops, which put the thumb shifter in the perfect position for sprinting. If you want to talk about gimmicks, let’s talk about “anatomic” bars…
Also, front shifting for Campy has always been better than everything else due to its ability to trim. The Ergopower has a full 8 clicks of trim.
On Shimano:
7900 is leagues better than 7800. The new lever shape is great compared to what it was, and the new levers and sub-routed cables are far more pleasing to the eye,
BUT:
*The shift lever is still the brake lever.
*It’s still not re-build-able/
*The chain and cassette wear out mid season.
To quote Spinal Tap:
“But these go to 11.”
July 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Sounds like they copied the SRAM levers. I’ve been riding mine in the “3rd position” all the time and didn’t know it was something special.
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 am
I am not sure if I could improve my performance and my riding confort in my races. The only thing i am sure is that i will spend more money soon with this kind of materials. I feel that there is too much effort in cable based design components. Why nobody wanted to follow the MAVIC electronic shift? I believe that there is a marketing hole.
July 23rd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
11? Hmmm. I did the 3rd position. 11 is getting a lil wild for me. But if the pros need it, I better upgrade too. That will help while on my 40 mile club ride.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:29 am
i totaly agree, cable based sifting systems have been improved to the max, there is nothing left to do to them and the whole system is dated. I think that the big names need to start looking at dfferent methods, either hub gears or electronic shift. Mavic Mektronic worked great- i dont know why it wnt out of fashion. Anyway, im looking forward to dura ace electronic.
With the third position- i beieve shimano did invent it, but by mistake,to really make it their own they shoud have contoured the hoods for the anatomic fit too, they could have done this years ago.
July 24th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
love the 11speed, I have been on campagnolo since ‘91, I think the ergonomics are better with campagnolo, however the new dura-ace also look pretty cool. and for those who say why the extra cog??? well its the same mentality that said why a derailleur? its easy enough to flip your wheel arround. move on boys its called technology!!!!
July 25th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Sure it cool its campy. 11th gear to to non-professional won’t matter. 11th gear just means you have to buy a whole new drive train once again more fuel for the campy marketers sell sell sell!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Very nice, but I’m still happy with my Centaur. Saw Bobke talking about the new Dura Ace and you would think he was being payed big buck by Shimano for what he was saying. Dura Ace is finally introducing carbon to their components and he makes it sound as if this is the latest thing, he could of said they were finally getting on the band wagon with their concealed brake and shift lever cables, and those new canirings look as if they were lifted off of a department store bike.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Im a duraace roadie,my latest groupset is 7800 in a colnago ct2.Its very obvious that campie is the pacesetters in new bike tech,from 10 speed,carbon components and now the super record 11 speed.I observe that shimano has a better sales marketing than campie in asia.Im saving money to buy the super record in a c50 colnago about middle 09
July 30th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Campy would make lots money if they retrofit the new hood design into their 10speed system. And it’s about time they offered a 12-27, but they could have done this with the 10speed. This is there way of saying, \you want a 12-27 (a broader gear ratio) then buy the 11 speed\. SRAM’s best selling cassette is the 11-28. Shimano took notice and DA 7900 will be available with a 11-28 Cassette.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:50 am
@thien:
Prices are:
Chorus — no change
Record — 3% less
S.Record — 17% more. (yup, that’s what you pay for a few Ti bolts and sprockets and a different grade ceramic bearing).
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:53 am
C’Mon, While Shimano is good stuff Campy kicks the crap out it as far as serviceability, Durability & performance after you got 10,000k on it!
11speed try itn 1st before dissing it! we were all saying the same things when 10 sp came out! Now you gotta have 10sp if you race or are into speed over all types of terrain!
August 4th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Peoples ignorance.
11 speed rings and the same thickness so they wont wear out (spacing is different though). The chain is skinnier, but the inside diameter stays the same. The chain is actually stronger by using higher quality materials.
Losing by milli seconds is a big deal these days, so by narrowing up the spacing, the shifting is actually faster, the throws are shorter and with new finishing on chain rings, the whole group actually lasts longer.
I don’t see why there are so many Haters against this company. Besides the majority boycotting the olympics in China, I guess most people are hypocrites because the haters here do really support mass produce Chinese products. Also I bet you the ignorant mass produce supporting people (yes I still consider you cyclists) also support Global warming considering sram and shimano, once they wear out go straight to the landfill. Don’t forget most of us ride 10 speed, which at one point was 9 speed, at another point was 8 speed, etc… Are we to say the most of the haters here are riding single speeds?
Simply put, you either buy it or not. Or in haters terms, maybe you just can’t afford it.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Peoples ignorance.
11 speed rings and cassette rings are the same thickness so they are not going to wear out any faster (spacing between is narrower). The chain is skinnier, but the inside diameter stays the same.
Losing by milli seconds is a big deal these days, so by narrowing up the spacing, the shifting is actually faster, the throws are shorter and with new finishing on chain rings, the whole group actually wears longer.
I don’t see why there are so many Haters against this Campy. Ya, lets support mass produce products in addition we can boycott the olympics in China, I guess most people are hypocrites. Also I bet you the ignorant mass produce supporting people (yes I still consider you cyclists) also support Global warming considering sram and shimano, once they wear out go straight to the landfill. Don’t forget most of us ride 10 speed, which at one point was 9 speed, at another time it was 8 speed, etc… Are we to say the most of the haters here are riding single speeds?
Simply put, you either buy it or not. Or in haters terms, maybe you just can’t afford it.
- Hater myself
August 6th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Mavic was the first to company to create a hood body on the Mektronic with the anatomical “3rd” or “pronghorn” position. The tip of the hood curved in much more dramatically and there was a lot of extra material.
The UCI promptly banned it - said the new design was dangerous in a crash scenario. They trimmed it down to look very similar to the new Campag hood design.
There’s nothing really new in this Campag group.
Sure an extra sprocket is great, but hardly revolutionary.
The new derailleur design is taking Shimano’s wider pivot to its natural conclusion.
One thing though, Super Record is now the flashiest group on the market!
If you’re looking for innovation; look no further than SRAM’s shifter.
Now that’s revolutionary.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
I saw post mentioning the chainring size. Does anyone know if the current UT chanring will be compatible with the 11 speed?
August 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
campagnolo kick ass out of shimano!!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Rebuildable LOL. Yeah, maybe if you average 300 miles a week and wear out the drivetrain in one season. But, we all know Campi will have a brand new revolutionary group in a year or two that everyone will have to have (12 speed, you ready for it? Oh, no that would be nuts, why would we need to go to 12 speed?). Anyway, nobody rebuilds this shit, unless you’re talking about selling it on ebay and getting it in the hands of some guy with a long beard that sits in a shop all day instead of riding, rebuilding drivertrain parts. Nobody rebuilds ANYTHING any more. Use it and toss it. BTW, all the mats in all the shimano groups are recyclable. Maybe that 9 speed ultegra rear will end up as a can of beer someday.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Rebuildable LOL. Yeah, maybe if you average 500 miles a week and wear out the drivetrain in one season. But, we all know Campi will have a brand new revolutionary group in a year or two that everyone will have to have (12 speed, you ready for it? Oh, no that would be nuts, why would we need to go to 12 speed?). Anyway, nobody rebuilds this shit, unless you’re talking about selling it on ebay and getting it in the hands of some guy with a long beard that sits in a shop all day instead of riding, rebuilding drivertrain parts. Nobody rebuilds ANYTHING any more. Use it and toss it. BTW, all the mats in all the shimano groups are recyclable. Maybe that 9 speed ultegra rear will end up as a can of beer someday.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
To 150 mi/week: I have 12 road bikes, all full Campy Record 10 gruppo. I average 350-450 miles/week, 15,000-20,000 miles/year. I do lots of very long endurance rides (double centuries), so mileage is my thing (not speed). ErgoLevers typically are at least $320. You can do the math. Without the ability to rebuild the levers, it would kill my budget. I can rebuild a set in 1-hour and $50-90 of parts. The only parts that need changing are the index/coil/return springs, index/ratchet gear. Then it’s good for another 10,000 miles on the mechanicals. I keep the exterior hoods/carbon levers scratchfree, like new. So tossing those away would be an irresponsible waste of good parts, specially those beautiful (and expensive)carbon levers. Even if you do not have the time to do it yourself, Branford Bikes can rebuild it for around $120 bucks (parts/labor), still less than 1/3 of new ErgoLevers. Before you throw any of yours away, let me know, I will pay you to ship all of them to me.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Total gimmick! And a waste of money. I’d go 09 Red if I wanted the best groupo out. SRAM makes an 11-28 Cassette… Come on campy get with the times! A smaller 5.5 mm chain is going to wear even faster than 10 speed chains.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Hello All
I have two bikes with Campy and one with shimano but the 11 speed is a real temptation with all ceramic and now even less weight, thou the new shimano Durace DI2 looks great too with all electronic shifting .
The more new sets there are on the market the better , one has more too choose from,after all if serviced properly all sets should do their job.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Hi all,
I have been racing since age 14. Now I’m 40, and I’ve allways been using Campagnolo (as we say in Europe). No peoblems what so ever. I have crashed a couple of times, and once broke a carbon Record ‘99 shift lever. Just rebuild it in 25 minutes, using new g-springs, coil, gear and og course the lever. Saved me a small fortune. And it’s really easy. I clean my chains (3 race bikes and 1 mtb), every 200 km. with cheap sulfo, and then clean warm water. It runs and runs and runs. I swap between 2 chains on each bike every 1000 km. This makes it last very very long. Some of my friends drives shimano, and the complain of changing the cassetes and chain quite often, but are otherwise satisfied.
I prefer Campagnolo any day, but don’t min others of course. I like the way one operates the ergopower instead of the sram or shimano models.Other than that it’s mostly about looks and finish and detail, in which Campagnolo have been ahead of the others for decades. I used to drive 500 km a week, now it’s down to 250 km a week. What I use more of is rims and tires/tubes. I lubricate the wheelbearings twice per year, and they last for 10 years and counting.
Cheers, and get some miles on the bikes instead.
August 14th, 2008 at 8:42 am
I saw post mentioning the chainring size. Does anyone know if the current UT chanring will be compatible with the 11 speed? I have a new Ultra Torque crank and need a new set of components anyway. Anyone heard anything.
August 17th, 2008 at 3:41 am
Super Record is being installed next week! Whoooooohoooo!!!
August 19th, 2008 at 12:35 am
All the slow boys ith moe cash than common sense wil race tobuy this speeds? If you cant ride with 9 or 1 speds wll, guess what you cant ride well wih 11 either. Look o ven sloppier sifting,the tll goofy thumb shife in plce and now theymake theirshifter shape basiclly a knockof of Shimanos and cal it 3r handpostion- hy Camie, shim usrs have ha and used thi for years. Bwahhahahahah
August 19th, 2008 at 12:42 am
The components which wear out most on a bike are the cables, cassettes and chainrings so I’m not sure where Mr Greenpeace wannabee is getting his info that campy is somehow better at preventing Global Warming? Maybe you shuold stick to writing fiction novels instead of posting nonsense like you posted above?
August 19th, 2008 at 1:03 am
To the Ultra Cyclist board comedian. If you really have 10-12 bikes which are full Rrecord (you have fist off spent such a ridculous amount for your initial drivetrains cost that no amount of rebuilding shifters will ever make up that initial cost monstrisity). The huge amount of cash you would spend just on your initial drivetrain cost not to mention the cost of replacing your nosebleed price Record cassettes, chains and chainrings would far outweigh the cost difference between rebuilding a shifter for $90-100 versus buying anyones new shifter which by the way will no wear out annually nor nearly as fast s those nosebled price record cassettes,chains and chanrings. You better go take a basic econ 101 course or get off the meds and get back to realty. No one buys Record for cost savings.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Bike races are won by the rider not by who has an extra or a less gear, particulary when it comes to 10 vs 100 speeds. Campys new 11 speed looks very interesting and the change in hood shapes seems very intuitive. For 09′ Shimano seems to have totally hit the nail on the head with the new 7900 range. Not only have they inproved the ergonomics of the shifters including under tape cable routing, but they have also added a quick link on the chain (very handy), a Dura Ace level compact crankset (a great choice for most consumers), but most important of all and what is getting very little press are the huge improvements the have made to the Shimano Flightdeck computer. The Flightdeck now incorporates full HRM functions in addition to altitude, inclination and auto calculated cadence. Being able to operate your HRM from your shifter controls is a HUGE advantage imo. The auto calculated cadence means no more hanging a magnet from your crankarm and a bulky sensor from your seatube. The Flightdeck is wireless including wireless download to your PC which is huge. Shimano seems to have really done their homework on this computer and hands on shifters operation will make this the most cohesive integrated system on the market imo. The inclination and altitude functions are just more icing on the cake. I will be buying the 7900 not only for the shifter improvements but most importantly for the massivlely improved Flightdeck.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
11 speed is rediculous. 10 speed is already 2 too many. My wife’s 9 year old commuter bike with 8 speed SRAM/Shimano is easier to set up and maintain and shifts just as well as my brand new XTR 9-speed and year old DA 10 speed. In fact, I think it shift better then the 10 speed. All these extra gears are getting us no where but more trouble tweaking our bikes. I’m sure mechanic everywhere are pissed about this.
Oh, and Ultra Cyclist, can I have… a bike or something? I have 6 bikes a variety of types, and a couple of them are junkers and I thought I was over the top. You can’t possibly have a use for 12 road bikes, so how about donating one to those less fortunate? My poor poor wife is still running 8-speed Record on her road bike. She’s a real charity case!
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Anybody with 10 or more road bikes is little more than a foolish egomaniac. Try doing something acually positive and donate to a young rider or kid who needs a bike one of those wall ornaments.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
I don’t care how many bikes you have - not the point. Bottom line is that the new Campy stuff is beautiful, innovative, and down-right “sexy.” They have made significant improvements in producing a smoother, more durable drive-train. It’s also lighter, but weight was/is not the main issue - it’s efficiency.
I can’t criticize a company that has set such a high standard - blending both art and engineering together to create components that complete our machines and put smiles on our faces - regardless if we’re racing, club riding, or simply staring at the bike leaning against the wall.
It’s interesting how so much time, energy, and $’s can be spent on something so simple.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Someone at Campagnolo must have been watching the movie “Spinal Tap, the movie” and loved the phrase “Ours goes to eleven!”.
Me, I’ve cursed since 5 speeds went to six. I think I’ll pass on the 11 and wait for 12.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Love that Rolex Submariner!
September 13th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
the new record makes me drool wid envy on those people who could affford one.definetly it is the rider not the bike that count.butit would not hurt to have a super record in hand to tag a long on those winding stretches uphilll climbs especially wid the new hand position offered.cheers to campy, hope u could lower ur prices
September 16th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Campy is KING!! Don’t know if 11 is necessary, but it sure will keep the cadence perfect. Pushing the limits of carbon and titanium is great. Really should push the rebuildability of the Campy as the best. Way better than the throw away shimaNO. But really, outside of a crash, I have not had to rebuild that stuff. Campy is so worth the money.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
sram is more comfortable and cheaper.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:39 am
“Prices are:
Chorus — no change
Record — 3% less
S.Record — 17% more.”
Not in the US. Actually, prices from eurobikeparts.com are: Super Record $3199, Record $2799, Chorus $2199. My complete bike with 06 Chorus was $2100–with pedals! The weak dollar even hits the bikers…
September 21st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
it is a pitty that Campa has choosen to offer three product ranges that support 11-speed. I believe that from marketing point of view Campa should have limited its 11-offer to 2 ranges (Record & Super Record). That way the Chorus-range would have stayed with 10-speed, but with some improvements compared to chorus 2008: 1)the Chorus 2009 should have been 10-speed but with the new style of shifters; 2)Chorus 2009 should come in 2 variants: Chorus (very similar to Chorus 2008) and Chorus Ti (were the Chorus Ti stands for Chorus Titanium, and it should be based on the Record Ti 2008).
September 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Man… peoples ignorance. People really need to research before they say anything.
Those complaining must still ride single Speed.
Keep riding those landfill polluting products and come back when you’re educated!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Man, Some of you guys really can’t type. Also, you sound like you’ve already ridden it. Stop saying definite things when you can only be speculating. Why 11 cogs? Why any? If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Quit whining. Go ride.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 am
3rd hand position…? I only have two hands…
No, seriously, I think that I can easily get three different grips on my 2007 ultegra shifters… and I fail to see the point in 11-speed system… I think my 10 is a little too many…
October 6th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I ride properly with 8 cogs. Don’t need more. Don’t want more - in fact I am getting a little bit upset with the manufacturers engineering obsolescence so rapidly. Engineer better function, not more function. Biking is a simple pursuit; but when you can’t find 8 speed replacement parts or upgrades, something is seriously wrong.
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Bought my Super Record today, new frame arrives later this week. Build is going to be awesome!
October 27th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
At first I thought the prices of the new 11 were ridiculous, but after seeing the video with the new features….I can better handle the cost knowing it will all last longer and has ceramics etc. Even having 10 cogs is overkill-as I’m a flatlander, but one has no choice as having less gears is no longer an option….Love the Campagnolo-never a problem or a breakage. As for having 10 bikes in Record-it seems a bit out there-but truth be known if I could afford it-I’d have waay more than that. Thanks
November 4th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Simple Isn’t It…11 speed equals a cassette with perfect ratios. Think how frustrating it is riding a MTB cassette on the road, either too hard are not hard enough. Simple really 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23. I promise that 18 makes a huge difference while riding the 53 on a flat road. The ratio is perfect for Boonen in the Sprint, Cancellara at Roubaix and Ballan at Worlds. Gotta Luv it.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I haven’t seen anything in any literature or on the web directly state that this new generation is rebuildable. Does anyone know that it is for sure?
November 16th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
According to Campy, this new one is rebuildable, just like everything else from them.
November 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
The way some of the people complain about Campy going to 11 speed, I’d expect them to be riding single speeds or at the most 3 speeds.
As for me, I’m currently riding Record 10 on one bike and Chrorus 10 on another (CX) and I look forward to trying the new 11 speed soon.
By the way, Campy still offers 10 speed in Centaur and lower groups and the new Centaur levels have the same shape as the new Chorus, Record, and Super Record.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:33 am
For me…the cost of getting the latest group is becoming even more impractical if it keeps changing more and more rapidly. I want lightweight components but unfortunately they only offer them in the latest groups. I ride on 7 speed and like it fine. if i could find a lightweight group in 7 speed, I’d go for it. I am in the process of building an 8 speed bike and was fortunate to get 3 8 speed xt 11-28 cassettes, 2 of which were new old stock offered on ebay, but now it’s no longer available. they could come out with the new groups all they want but for those of us on a tight budget, they need to give us a break. I would like to buy a new bike and not be stuck with something that new lightweight parts cannot be found when the originals wear out or being able to buy nice parts for it when the newer parts will only fit the latest frames
I have some knowlege of engineering and i think that given sprocket thickness of the 8 speed group vs the 10 speed group, you would get more miles out of the 8 speed than the 10. just my guess though
i think it’s nothing more than a means of trying to boost their profit margin. i like the joke in a recent issue of bicycling. a guy standing at a bike shop drooling over a new bike because it had a 55 speed group
December 5th, 2008 at 7:40 am
For me…the cost of getting the latest group is becoming even more impractical if it keeps changing more and more rapidly. I want lightweight components but unfortunately they only offer them in the latest groups. I ride on 7 speed and like it fine. if i could find a lightweight group in 7 speed, I’d go for it. I am in the process of building an 8 speed bike and was fortunate to get 3 8 speed xt 11-28 cassettes, 2 of which were new old stock offered on ebay, but now it’s no longer available. they could come out with the new groups all they want but for those of us on a tight budget, they need to give us a break. I would like to buy a new bike and not be stuck with something that new lightweight parts cannot be found when the originals wear out or being able to buy nice parts for it when the newer parts will only fit the latest frames
I have some knowlege of engineering and i think that given sprocket thickness of the 8 speed group vs the 10 speed group, you would get more miles out of the 8 speed than the 10. just my guess though
i think it’s nothing more than a means of trying to boost their profit margin. i like the joke in a recent issue of bicycling. a guy standing in a bike shop drooling over a new bike because it had a 55 speed group
December 18th, 2008 at 8:48 am
zzzzzz
Play the waiting game. Two years after the Campagnolo Carbon 10 was introduced, prices fell steeply. Play the waiting game. Once again, in two years you’ll have the “11″ components for much less.
December 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I own a 2008 Bianchi C2C 928 Carbon Veloce and have on order a 2009 Bianchi C2C 928 Carbon Monocoque ‘Centaur’ Veloce mix 10sp. I’m anxious to see how different the Centaur/Veloce mix components differ from the Veloce. Got hit by a taxi on my Veloce, so it’s permanently affixed to my Cycleops Fluid2. The Centaur is my new road warrior!
December 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am
CONGRATS TO ALL WHO CAN AFFORD THIS SHIT. I HOPE YOU BOUGHT THE CHAIN TOOL
TOO OR YOUR LITTLE CONNECTOR LINKS ARE GOING TO DRIVE YOU NUTS.
I REMEMBER WHEN A CAMPY DEALER WOULD REPLACE PARTS FOR YOU IF YOU WALKED INTO
THE STORE AND MERELY THREW THE OLD BROKEN PART ONTO THE COUNTER. NOW INSTEAD
OF SERVICE, WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY! YIPPEE.
A BIKE DRIVETRAIN IS A SYSTEM, AND AS SUCH SHOULD BE OPTIMIZED, NOT MAXIMIZED.
MORE IS NOT BETTER.
TAKE YOUR FRIEND’S WELL-MAINTAINED OR HARDLY RIDDEN OLD SEVEN OR EIGHT SPEED
RIG ONTO THE REPAIRSTAND. ADJUST THE TENSION SCREW FOR THE REAR CABLE IN UNTIL
IT STARTS TO MISHIFT. NOW BACK IT OUT UNTIL IT DOES THE SAME. COUNT HOW MANY
TURNS YOU HAVE AS A DIFFERENCE. NOW DO THE SAME WITH YOUR TEN OR ELEVEN SPEED
KIT ON YOUR NEW $5000 RIG. NOTICE HOW SMALLER THE WINDOW FOR ERROR IS?
NOW SHIMANO AND SRAM WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS LAMENTABLE, DEPLORABLE, PITIFUL
EXAMPLE. WTF!!!!!???
THE BIKE SHOULD BE MORE A TRACTOR THAN A WRISTWATCH. THE SHOP SHOULD NOT HAVE
TO HAVE 9 MILLION PARTS ABOUT TO BUY, SORT THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND.
HOW CAN A BUYING AGENT FOR A BIKE COMPANY EVEN LOOK AT THIS NEW CRAP AND SAY
YEAH, GIVE ME 20,000 OF THOSE? WHERE IS YOUR RESPECT FOR TRADITION AND RELIABLITY?
HOW CAN THE BICYCLE END UP IN THE LAP OF THE MARKETING PEOPLE, WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND DICK ABOUT MECHANICAL CONSIDERATIONS?
SHAME ON ALL YOU FUCKS. YOU HAVE FUCKED UP THE BEST INVENTION ON THE FACE OF THE
PLANET. SHAME ON YOU ALL. I HOPE YOU END UP DRINKING AND PISSING THROUGH A STRAW
WHEN YOUR HIGHLY DISHED REAR WHEEL WITH A HUNDRED GEARS FOLDS UP ON YOU AND DROPS
YOU ONTO THE COLD HARD PAVEMENT FASTER THAN YOU CAN REMEMBER YOUR DENTIST’S NAME.
January 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am
NO, I DON’T OWN A ELEVEN-SPEED GROUG, HAVE NOT TRIED IT, AND YES, I DO RIDE
A SINGLESPEED. SERIOUSLYPEOPLE, AND I WON’T SWEAR AT YOU OR YOUR NEW EQUIPMENT,
and I’ll even stop yelling at you, do you product managers and buying agents
really think that more gears and fewer spokes will save cycling? Do you really
think that the consumer really knows nothing about an item he or she so dearly
loves? Oh, I forgot, Lance will generate all the interest our hobby and transportation choice will need in the next year.
My comment regarding the connector links was born or experience with the Campy
ten speed equipment. The little linkylinks would click like crazy after just
a few hundred miles of wear. The answer? Buy a Campy chain and the $100+ tool.
The new tool for the new equipment is $200 I see.
This industry has no more guts or vision than Detroit automakers. It is just
monkey see, and monkey do. If the manufacturers were not trying to make
equipment at every pricepoint, perhaps a few gruppos of quality could be made.
And if the stuff were not changed every year, perhaps dealers would not be
stuck with old product they put their nuts on the chopping block for. And
mechanics could go about life without chugging down vast quantities of swill
to quell their utterly shot nerves from working on mechanical nightmares.
Take a good hard look at what bike shop mechanics are riding before you deprecate
fixies and singlespeeds. Yes, the shoemaker’s kids go barefooted, but these bikes
are a kneejerk reaction to overcomplex bikes that require too much maintanence
and still do not work.
Even if the dedicated cycllist can afford to have his/her bike tuned after every
ride, replace the drivetrain after only a thousand miles, and replace everything
else that is worn or bent a fraction of a millimeter, who on God’s green earth
has the time to haul the machine in and out of the shop with such regularity?
Beware, manufacturers. You are going in the wrong direction. Beware, dealer, in not feeding back to manufacturers. Beware buyers (as always). Do not be so proud
of your new (over)expense you cannot tell the truth about it’s performance and
longevity.
January 1st, 2009 at 10:41 am
NO, I DON’T OWN A ELEVEN-SPEED GROUG, HAVE NOT TRIED IT, AND YES, I DO RIDE
A SINGLESPEED. SERIOUSLYPEOPLE, AND I WON’T SWEAR AT YOU OR YOUR NEW EQUIPMENT,
and I’ll even stop yelling at you, do product managers and buying agents
really think that more gears and fewer spokes will save cycling? Do you really
think that the consumer knows nothing about an item he or she so dearly
loves? Will electronic shifters create the excitement we expect when we mount our
rigs? Oh, I forgot, Lance will generate all the interest our sport,hobby and transportation choice will need in the next year.
My comment regarding the connector links was born or experience with the Campy
ten speed equipment. The little linkylinks would click like crazy after just
a few hundred miles of wear. The answer? Buy a Campy chain and the $100+ tool.
The new tool for the new equipment is $200 I see.
This industry has no more guts or vision than the Detroit automakers. It is just
monkey see, and monkey do. If the manufacturers were not trying to make
equipment at every pricepoint, perhaps a few gruppos of quality could be made.
And if the stuff were not changed every year, perhaps dealers would not be
stuck with old product for which they put their nuts on the chopping block in the first place And mechanics could go about life without chugging down vastquantities of swill to quell their utterly shot nerves from working on mechanical nightmares.
Take a good hard look at what bike shop mechanics are riding before you deprecate
fixies and singlespeeds. Yes, the shoemaker’s kids go barefooted, but these bikes
are a kneejerk reaction to overcomplex bikes that require too much maintanence
and still do not work.
Even if the dedicated cycllist can afford to have his/her bike tuned after every
ride, replace the drivetrain after only a thousand miles, and replace everything
else that is worn or bent a fraction of a millimeter, who on God’s green earth
has the time to haul the machine in and out of the shop with such regularity?
Beware, manufacturers. You are going in the wrong direction. Beware, dealer, in not feeding back to manufacturers. Beware buyers (as always). Do not be so proud
of your new (over)expense you cannot tell the truth about it’s performance and
longevity.
January 10th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Picked up my 2009 Bianchi C2C 928 Carbon Monocoque ‘Centaur’ Veloce mix 10sp Compact right before Christmas. In addition to riding smooth on the road, I can toss it over my shoulder, along with my backpack and a bag of groceries in each hand. Saves time in going back to the car for the bike on a hot sunny day after a ride when my only desire is to take a cool shower!
Now I’m looking for a cheap mountain bike, so put at the top of my list a Specialized Stumpjumper Marathon 29er.
Tom
January 20th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I could not agree more with mor2bz. I’m fed up tinkering with my 10 speed to keep it shifting correctly. Like many others, I can get by on half as many gears.
There should be a light weight group set that caters for people who want to keep it for more than just one season and then throw it in the bin. It’s ridculous and wasteful.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
thanks mor2bz for the entertaining posts. You bring up some great points. The industry has gone crazy in a lot of ways - but I wouldn’t compare it to Detroit. I am an aspiring Cat3 racer who puts a lot of miles on my bikes. Frankly, I have had great luck (reliability) with Shimano and Campy. I haven’t had any more problems with 10sp over 9sp… why are people saying its so hard to adjust correctly? I rode the first generations of STI on the road and loved it. But I really fell in love with Campy in the late 90’s. I think it’s funny to see the fighting between the Campy and Shimano crowds (and now SRAM)… but that encourages the competition. And competition is what brings us innovation and better products - not a lot like Detroit which never had to innovate because of cheap gas and tariffs on imported trucks. As far as the 11 speed thing - believe it or not, a lot of riders who train by cadence and HR will really enjoy being able to fine-tune their cadence. Probably the bigger improvement for Super Record over the previous Carbon Record will be the ceramic bearings - if you get a chance, go turn a Super Record crank….
Anyway - I don’t know what I am trying to get at here - but I think the haters are just a little too zealous in their hatred of new things. I have a single speed to that I absolutely love to ride in the city - but I have just ordered a new frame (Merckx) and a full Super Record gruppo because (Ill admit it) I’m a gear head and I can afford it.
If you are still riding on 9 speed Shimano or the first generation ergo-power - that’s great! Its all good.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:21 am
That was an OK presentation. But before you people who think campy is playing catch up, think again.Watch “competitive cyclist” review from shimano fan Andy before you slam this new 11 spd. please people, know what you are talking about before you open your mouths. Dig into this new 11 speed group a little deeper. I have been riding campy record since 1982, I have been riding a 2000 model campy record 10 spd group for 8 years, I have replaced springs once in the left shifter and twice in the right.”$50 investment total”. My 2000 model group works as good today as the day I bought it. I just built up a complete new bike with 2008 campy 10 spd group. Yes ,I wish I would have waited for the 11spd group. Not for the extra gear, and not so much for the new shape of the hoods, “although I would probably find them comfy because I have large hands”.
When I buy a new group I expect it to last for many many years, I don’t mind being that guy in the bike club that rides that old stuff. This new 11 speed will blow your mind once you look at all of the advances they have made. this group could last 15 years with NO MAINTENENCE!. It is expensive , but you get what you pay for!
What impresses me the most about this group “BESIDES THE CERAMIC BEARINGS” is that Campy has applied an anodized protective coating on virtually everything on this group. They have ran 400 hour test with extreme salt and corrosive agents that will destroy any other metals on competitors group on the market. this new 11 spd comes out looking new thanks to the anti corrosive coating. normal chain wear on crankset and cog teeth ,is going to be a thing of the past. This group will last 5 times longer. they went from a three year warranty to a four year. what warranty does sram and shimano have? My shimano friends are always replacing their shifters and derailleurs , they last two years tops. that’s if you don’t ride much, and you can’t service them. shimano never got this popular until lance started winning the tours. Any one who has been riding for as many decades as I have, knows that shimano did not exist in the tour for 80 of its 100 years. Shimano has always played catch up and they are playing it now , in 2009 , they finally got rid of those annoying cables, and they made their front derailleur wider so it won’t rub when you are in that severe chain angle gear that you are not supposed to be in any way. why not put more clicks in you shifter so you can eliminate that rub permanently like campy has. I could slam shimano for hours, I’ll stop now. Just one more thing , honestly, look at the people who once rode shimano that now ride campy. There are a lot out there , more than you think. Now, ask around to see how many people do you know that ride shimano that used to ride campagnolo. Whats that? crickets chirping. If you like to have something new every year buy shimano , If you respect Italian tradition ,passion for design, innovation pure quality , and engineers that actually ride bikes, and get more feed back from the pro’s than any other manufacture. Then buy this new campagnolo group and don’t waste your money any more.
February 16th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Just another gimmick, 11 speed, that’s a joke surely ? As one of the others commented why not just improve the quality of the 10 speed instead of adding another cog ? Because no one would buy it then except the fashion victims who have to have the latest in thing.
What about the people who have invested in 10 speed ? The chain tool for 10 speed was a pretty expensive piece of kit what do you use that for if you upgrade to 11 speed ? an ornament on the mantlepiece ?
Of course the new group design means that to fit the chain you have to buy the new chain tool which is mega expensive !!!
All of this begs the question What’s next ? Electronic shifting is just round the corner, what do all the people who buy this 11 speed do when that comes out?
Do they ditch all their perfectly serviceable parts in order to be fashionable again ?
As someone wrote they’re still on 9 speed and it works perfectly, well i’m on 10 and intend to remain so, that is unless Campag try to make all the older parts redundant and unobtainable.
It’s a con trick to part gullible cyclists from their cash and shouldn’t be encouraged.
February 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I just purchased a super record 11. I was very excited about as it complimented my new colnago extreme power.
The only problem is that I keep going back to the mechanic to adjust the gears. I have own the bike for two weeks and I have gone 5 times to the mechanic. They cant seem to see what the problem is. Is shifting ok but in certain combinations it hesitates to switch and makes” currrr currrr” sound. I am very frustrated since the mechanics from the best bike stores in Miami cant figure it out. The only option I have left is to have a conference call with campy service while the mechanic tries to fix it.
Anyone ellse having the same problem?? Any suggestions??
February 28th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
How much faster will the 11 speed make me over my campy 10 speed ????
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 am
The highlights of the super record 11 are the newly ergo design shifters. Super comfortable compared to the older version. You must try it, huge difference. The other is on ceramic bearings on the crankset and rear derailor. Ultimately the looks of it.
If you were not able to sprint excess 35+ before, the 11 speed will not take you there. So, to answer your question, speed is subjective to the individual:)
As I mentioned above my main concern is the proper adjustment. I am about to lose my patience and sell it on ebay if the issue is not resolved.
I will probably get the new Shimano 7900 as a second choice. I was hoping to stick to campy but this is ridiculous, 5 mechanics in prestigious stores cant adjust it.
Time is money:)
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
blair i had a very bad shifting problem with the campy 10
the bolt holding the cassette body to the hub had loosened (on a brand new hub)
consequently the cogs were moving in and out. grab ahold the the cassette and
try to push in and out with it. this may be your problem.
let me know if it is sundbyd@comcast.net
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
blair i had a very bad shifting problem with the campy 10
the bolt holding the cassette body to the hub had loosened (on a brand new hub)
consequently the cogs were moving in and out. grab ahold of the cassette and
try to push in and out with it. this may be your problem.
let me know if it is sundbyd@comcast.net
March 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
I tried that and it didnt work. Campy service recomended that we reinstall the wires from scratch. I am so disappointed that I have to take trips to the shops. I paid for top quality equipment and I am not getting the results I was anticipating.
Any campy mechanics on line?? Please give me some suggestions.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:01 am
There is only one group-set you can put on your frame, Campagnolo Record with all those carbon and titanium bits. They look nice and they are lighter. http://www.bikecyclingreviews.com/0306campagnolo_record.html
March 5th, 2009 at 12:05 am
There is only one group-set you can put on your frame, Campagnolo Record with all those carbon and titanium bits. They look nice and are lighter. http://www.bikecyclingreviews.com/0306campagnolo_record.html
March 13th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Blair
is there any play in the crank arms? sometimes the non drive side may have play in it, this is caused by the unfortunate fixed BB space due to the hirth joint design. If there is play the bottom bracket,there is a chance the frames BB wasn’t refaced properly, if it was, then you need to add one maybe two more wave washers to take up the slack. You can get thesefrom campy. If there is no slack then you could have a defective inner cable housing, or a frayed cable @ the stop. I would also check (with a mic)the cassette spacing or try another cassette. what is the gear combination? if all that fails, it sounds like the vertical adjustment of the rear derailleur is not correct. But any experienced mechanic would have checked this. the upper pulley wheel should be very close to the cassette teeth. I always adjust it so close that it chatters then back it off until quite, dont give up this can be fixed!
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am
Thank you Danny for taking the time to explain. The cassette combination is 11-25. The crankset is installed correctly and there is no play. I guess is the matter of finding the right mechanic, which is hard.
At this point I guess I’ll wait a bit until they get used to working with campy super record 11’s. It only skips when I downshift from 15 to 12, so I’ve learned to get around it by downshifting all the way down to 11 then adjust it back up to the gear I want, its disappointing but I have managed it well till I can find the right guy to fix it.
Thanks again
March 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Blair,
if this continues after replacing the cables, then you must have a defective shifter. It is under warranty, send it back! But first make sure, I would inspect the cables, see if the cable is frayed at the cable stop, if not make sure the cable moves freely inside the housing if not then replace cables. So if it is not your cables then you have proved that the shifter teeth are bad, or there is something inside that shifter that is preventing it to engage properly on the desired shift tooth wheel. Regardless ,I wouldn’t tear into the shifter to find out. You have wasted enough time already. sent it back for a new. Did you buy it online or at the bike shop? I feel 98% sure with what you have explained, a new shifter will fix the problem
April 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Super record 11 is on my cyfac, it really is great, but the front shifter really needs to be setup perfectly, if you don’t what you will get is the front derailleur popping out of the big ring, I thought mine was defective and sent it out to quality to repair, came back same thing. I bought the centar set and used the front ergo while repairs were going on, centar-same thing, 2 other bikes at the LBS has the same issue. You even wiggle the cable housing, it will pop out, if you pull on the cable on the down tube, with little force, it will pop out!.
You know you have 3 clicks then you should be in the big ring with the derailleur right in the middle of the chain, if you don’t and “trim” when going from you 19 to 12, then you are using a spot on the der1ailleur that wont hold. Just letting people know, and seeing if anyone else has seen this? How I set it up was to adjust to low screw so the inside plate is touching the chain, the, I pull the cable and tighten it on. Then turn the screw ¼ counter clockwise. That way the derailleur is right on the chain when in the 23 and 39. Then you get instant pick up and shifting in the big ring soonoer.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
With my 10 speed, I generally switch two gears at a time anyway; switching one gear is generally too minute of a resistance change. 11 gears is almost completely pointless. I really hope that this doesn’t sell.
June 18th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
hi guys
i have the 10s centaur / veloce mixed group, with the new centaur ultrashift
when i first got my shifters, the rear shifter was playing up, it always shifted up properly, but never down smoothly
in the end it turned out that the pivot pins in the rear mech were slightly sticky.
get off to the garage, find where the chain lube is, and just flow a little down each gap, then repeatedly flex the mech to work in the lube
works like a treat.
just try this when your downshifts start going badly, rather than wasting money on parts you really don’t need.
i used to ride shimano, and it’s completely true what people say, it doesn’t last long at all, most of the groupset had to be replaced within 18 months !
changed to campagnolo after that, and never worn anything out yet, and this is 3 years riding ! only thing that got broken was an ergopower when i came off on the road !
campagnolo means quality, it’s definitely worth your money !
ciao xz
June 19th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
My new Tarmac SL2 with 11 Super Record is the first time on Campy since the old Super Record for me. All the top riders at the Big “S” said it was the best this year, although the electric Dura-Ace is great also. I have a few hundred miles on it and really like it. The extra gear for me is the 27t. It allows the same jumps as the 12-25 but with a bailout and no compromise. Shifts are great, but I have to get used to the shifts being backwards. Brakes are great, love the lever shape. And smooth! Expensive bikes are all great, no need to get political.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:51 am
My first time going on to this forum in about 6 months, I think the complainers need to start riding more instead wasting time complaining.
If you dont like it, don’t cry about it!
Campy 10 is awesome and I upgraded to the new Ergo shape.
And the guy riding the single speed, great for you! Do you need a tissue?
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 am
The 11 speed makes you a 1/2 a bike length when shifting in a sprint over competitors. Shifting is faster and able to dump gears. Over Campy 10 speed it is about 1/4 bike length faster.
Serious race equipment, not for the everyday rider. Pro’s only.
Your Ferrari isn’t a commuter car.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
hey fishman and other sane folk who were born in the 60s or 70s, LOL, 78910 is all the same, friction worked but index is sweet and convenient, if you can not push a 53-11 on most terrain shame on you, if needed you switch to 14 or 16, maybe on a service road up aguille de midi you bail to granny and your shortest inches, who uses more than 3 or 4 rear cogs, old farts, but jeez, if I had a compact on my marinoni I could use two cogs for the whole planet, seriously more time should have been spent on upgrading derailleurs for 40 year olds, how come you have to give up 53 to get 34, give the world a bigger spread, I have a photo of a 2008 giro alpine stage with sram in 54 28, I counted the teeth several times, NOW that is progress, that should be in retail channels, I ride to Whistler every year from Vancouver and 53-34 would be some fast gearing, or 50-28 for my xc, oh yeah the reason an xc is useless on asphalt isn’t some giant 18 cog ITS the puny 44 up front!!! and do not throw only pro garbage at me, I did more than TDF mileage in France in less time on a hardtail with panniers and a 7sp cogset! You can hit me with jealousy though cause campy is twice the cost of durace and red here in Canada. The best looking recent component isn’t shimano nor campy, its the overpriced NERD zero gravity that sold out at 600bucks a pop, the vanderkittens are nice as well, imagine if Camiallo did a gruppo! Yeah grey and black are not cool unless it comes with huge arsh lettering spelling Boras!!! How about covering the carbon in red white and green, or maybe some emblazoning on parts, did not the original super-record have the crest on most parts, shimano could add a blossom relief of their national sports emblem, sram already looks good, maybe white carbon and kcnc pulleys and anodized springs, come on, at 2 to 5 grand for a gruppo what is an extra hundred in detailing. Yeah anyhoo. Peace out enjoy the summer riding!!! thank you Kristaps